From: Titus Imboma <timboma@yahoo.com>
Date: 2013-03-18 07:20
Subject: Re: [KENYABIRDSNET] Re: [tanzaniabirds] Fw: Sparrow ID request

Dear All,

Quite a healthy discussion on the Sparrow Id. Very impressive. I think both the the birds are Parrot-billed but they are different birds all together. They both lack the white chin. The one on the left is an adult with very worn out feathers. We can clearly see one single white shoulder feather on the left one. I think the rest of the white patch feathers are undergoing molting. The bird on right is bit darker under belly.

I agree we should should and be identifying these sparrows to sub-species levels and not just as Grey-headed.

Regards,

Titus




--- On Thu, 3/14/13, Brian Finch <birdfinch@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Finch <birdfinch@gmail.com>
Subject: [KENYABIRDSNET] Re: [tanzaniabirds] Fw: Sparrow ID request
To: tanzaniabirds@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "kenyabirdsnet@yahoogroups.com" <kenyabirdsnet@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 5:47 AM

 

Dear All,
It's really good to see an interest in the Grey-headed Sparrow group.
Current taxonomy (unless it has changed yet again) has lumped the
group. This is all very well, but in lumping the birds like this, we
lose valuable data once they are just under the one umbrella. Even
though the taxonimists consider just "Grey-headed Sparrow" I think it
remiss of us, if we do not when possible record just what Grey-headed
Sparrow it is, and it is not just with Grey-headed Sparrows., there
are other groups.
This bird appears not to be an adult, the white shoulder marking has
not developed. Otherwise the grey underparts, extensive grey mantle,
white throat and slight bill do point to Swahili. This is interesting
in that Amboseli is gongonensis territory. Swahili in Kenya is from
the lower part of Magadi Road to the border, and the eastern part of
the Maasai Mara.
Best to all
Brian

On 3/14/13, Neil and Liz Baker <tzbirdatlas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> these o so difficult grey-headed sparrows when at the edge of their ranges.
>
> thoughts on this bird please.
>
> taken in Amboseli.
>
> to my eyes it's a Swahili with a touch of Parrot-billed !!!!!
>
> head not round enough for a real swahili, bill a touch large and the eye
> should be more "beedy" looking.
> but it's too pale for a gongonensis, the throat looks pale and the bill not
> bulky enough.
>
> Neil
>
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